Island Man
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Evolution and spirits
by Chris Tann inas of now iam making an unbiased examination of evolution.
however one thing keeps me hanging on to the belief of a supreme spirit being; the existence of spirits.
i have heard countless accounts of people who have experienced frightening encounters with evil forces.
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Listen to the Pilot Episode of JW Podcast
by God_Delusion inhi guys,.
check out our first ever podcast here - http://www.jwpodcast.org/2014/10/19/s01e00-macclesfield-forest, or download this episode (right click and save).
it's finally here, our first ever jehovah's witness podcast!
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Island Man
The intro and conclusion sounds just like a program on BBC radio! LOL.
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This weeks #2 & #3 talk on homosexuality
by granada35 inafter a one year sucessful fade and no longer associated with any congreation, i was visiting my sister this week (who goes to the meeting to please her husband for now; i am slowly planting seeds though) and they decided to year this weeks midweek meeting via the telephone.
since i was a guest in her house, i sat with them in the living room to hear the meeting.
to my surprise (especially growing up as a gay jw with still alot of anger in my heart over how i was treated), the talks 2 and 3 where on, of course, homosexualiy.
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Island Man
The video linked above:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XZRNL9ZnyM&list=PLAFA0B8FB23E26E4F&index=40
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Has the Governing Body always been consistent in its published views of Homosexuality?
by Terry injehovahs witnesses-proclaimers of gods kingdom:.
pages 174-175.
"but among the witnesses, there was never any question as to how homosexuality would be viewed.".
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Island Man
C. A mere technicality.
Their view on homosexuality didn't really change (based on the info/quotes posted in the OP). What did change was stance on whether or not it was a scriptural ground for divorce. They have always regarded homosexuality as a serious sin.
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This weeks #2 & #3 talk on homosexuality
by granada35 inafter a one year sucessful fade and no longer associated with any congreation, i was visiting my sister this week (who goes to the meeting to please her husband for now; i am slowly planting seeds though) and they decided to year this weeks midweek meeting via the telephone.
since i was a guest in her house, i sat with them in the living room to hear the meeting.
to my surprise (especially growing up as a gay jw with still alot of anger in my heart over how i was treated), the talks 2 and 3 where on, of course, homosexualiy.
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Fulltimestudent:
"Dear Island man,
Of course, you're right - so much of what we do is subjective, but we could make an effort to understand the viewpoints of other sexualities, couldn't we? Not all human societies have adopted you're attitude, which, surely, reinforces your comment on subjectivity. But, I want to make the point that understanding someone else's viewpoint does not mean that you have to adopt the practises that you've come to understand."
Fulltimestudent, I understand that homosexuals are as attracted to the same sex as I am attracted to the opposite sex. I don't have a problem understanding that. I also understand that homosexuals should not be judged or denied certain privileges or discriminated against on the basis of their sexual orientation. Do I need to understand more than these things? If so, what else do I need to understand and why?
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This weeks #2 & #3 talk on homosexuality
by granada35 inafter a one year sucessful fade and no longer associated with any congreation, i was visiting my sister this week (who goes to the meeting to please her husband for now; i am slowly planting seeds though) and they decided to year this weeks midweek meeting via the telephone.
since i was a guest in her house, i sat with them in the living room to hear the meeting.
to my surprise (especially growing up as a gay jw with still alot of anger in my heart over how i was treated), the talks 2 and 3 where on, of course, homosexualiy.
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Island Man
fulltimestudent, yes heterosexuals do engage in similar acts to homosexuals, but it's not just about the acts its about the lack of sexual desire and sexual attraction. Without sexual desire and sexual attraction, sex is actually a disgusting act whether homosexual or heterosexual. That is why young children who haven't reached puberty think of it as being "gross". So I find two men having sex to be repulsive because I can't empathize with it sexually since I don't have sexual desire toward men, and sex without sexual desire is just gross. But on the other hand, I'm not repulsed by Lesbian sex because I can empathize since I'm sexually attracted to women.
You're right from a logical and rational standpoint. But my reaon for being repulsed by the thought of having sex with another man, is not logical and rational. It is purely subjective, based on my own sexual preference. It is because I recognize this that I don't condemn homosexuals or think they should be thought less of or denied certian privileges. We all have subjective likes and dislikes not founded in rationality and must be careful not to use such subjective viewpoints as a basis for condemning others or discriminating against them.
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What would make them leave?
by Separation of Powers inin your experience, what would the org have to do that would cause the most people to leave?.
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" I agree that nothing will complete change everyone's mind but I do feel that some type of recording, whether its audio or visual, of the GB saying something incriminating would wake up a large number of people."
Typical JW response if such happened: "It's a fabrication by apostates. That isn't really the Governing Body speaking in a closed door session. They will never say something like that! That recording is nothing but a wicked fabrication by apostates! They're doing all kinds of things these days with photoshop and sound mixing so this recording is obviously a fraud designed to draw us away from Jehovah's organization! I refuse to listen to anymore of it!"
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Let's Say 1914 Was The Establishment of God's Kingdom....what is the significance?
by minimus inas hillary clinton might say, what difference does it make???.
even if god's kingdom was established in 1914, why is that such a big deal?
other than unprovable actions in heaven, what can jws say is the significance of it all...with a straight face?.
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"Jesus has been directing the worldwide preaching activity since 1919. Look at the growth! From 6000 to 8 million in less than 100 years. That is rock-solid incontrovertible proof that he is active as king. Not to mention freeing his people from Babylonish captivity..."
But according to Matthew 28:20, hasn't Jesus always been directing the preaching activity - since the frist century? (Acts 16:7-10)
And another thing: all the organizational refinements that JWs point to as evidence that the kingdom has been ruling since 1914, is rubbish. Why? Because JWs believe that "the kingdom of the Son of His love" refers to christ's kingship over the christian congregation, which kingship was established since the start of the congregation in the first century after his resurrection. So any organizational refinements would fall under the jurisdiction of the kingdom of the son of his love and cannot be used as proof of the messianic kingdom. The messianic kingdom is a political rulership over the earth and is different to Jesus' kingship over the congregation.
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What would make them leave?
by Separation of Powers inin your experience, what would the org have to do that would cause the most people to leave?.
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To get most people to leave, the Governing Body would have to actually tell them to leave; or maybe the Governing Body would have to disfellowship most JWs and deny them right of appeal or reinstatement. These are the only ways I can see the majority of JWs leaving the org. Anything else such as a scandal would only see a large minority leaving, but not the majority.
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This weeks #2 & #3 talk on homosexuality
by granada35 inafter a one year sucessful fade and no longer associated with any congreation, i was visiting my sister this week (who goes to the meeting to please her husband for now; i am slowly planting seeds though) and they decided to year this weeks midweek meeting via the telephone.
since i was a guest in her house, i sat with them in the living room to hear the meeting.
to my surprise (especially growing up as a gay jw with still alot of anger in my heart over how i was treated), the talks 2 and 3 where on, of course, homosexualiy.
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Island Man
Zoos: Island Man, you're a pig!
Did you know that pigs are very blessed animals, sexually speaking? A pig can have an orgasm lasting from 5 to 15 minutes!